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Main Street USA Christmas loop

Posted by eyore , 03 December 2011 · 4,852 views

We are still awaiting to obtain our own, personal live recording of this loop but the recording we have appears to be accurate to what plays in the park.
Note:
The album "Christmas Dinner Music" is a 2009 re-issue of previous albums including Silent Night :cd: CD |(1993)CNCD 5933, White Christmas (2003) :cd: CD, The Best of Christmas Disc 2 (2005 - not available) and others. The source album is probably Silent Night but the re-issues are identical. The Christmas Dinner Album is more obtainable (and cheaper) so is included in the playlist.

Run time 62:14
Induction (?) recording made 2002


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Joy To The World 2:18
by Empire Brass
on Joy to the World/Music of Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


02. Posted Image
O Come, Little Children 1:48
by Philadelphia Orchestra
on The Glorious Sound of Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



03. Posted Image
The First Noel 2:38
by Canadian Brass
on The Christmas Album
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



04. Posted Image
Jingle Bells 0:58
by London Festival Orchestra
on Christmas Dinner Music
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



05. Posted Image
Oh Come All Ye Faithful 3:13
by Empire Brass
on Joy to the World/Music of Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



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Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy 1:39
by Canadian Brass
on The Christmas Album
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Deck the Halls 1:03
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Sleigh Ride ~2:53
by Arthur Feidler & the Boston Pops
on White Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Hark the Herald Angels Sing 1:37
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Silent Night 2:42
by London Festival Orchestra
on Christmas Dinner Music
:cd: CD| :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Good King Wenceslas 0:48
by London Christmas Orchestra
on Christmas Dinner Music
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isobella 0:44
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Silver Bells 2:13
by Canadian Brass
on A Canadian Brass Christmas (1985)
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



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We Three Kings 1:54
by Westminster Concert Bell Choir
on Christmas Bells
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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La Cloche de Noel 2:02
by Canadian Brass
on The Christmas Album
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Angels We Have Heard on High 1:35
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer ~2:53
by Arthur Feidler & the Boston Pops
on White Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3




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O Come All Ye Faithful 1:32
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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A Christmas Fetival (Edited) 6:21
by Boston Pops
on (still looking for exact album)
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



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It Came Upon a Midnight Clearl 1:22
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Carol of the Bells 2:41
by London Festival Orchestra
on Joy to the world (Box set - 4 Discs)
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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March of the Toys -Babes in Toyland (medley) 3:36
by Rochester Pops Orchestra
on Joy to the world (Box set - 4 Discs)
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Carol of the Bells (track 21 repeated) 2:41
by London Festival Orchestra
on Joy to the worls (Box set - 4 Discs)
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Oh Little Town of Bethlehem 1:46
by The London Festival Orchestra
on Christmas Dinner Music
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



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O Tannenbaum 2:52
by Empire Brass
on Joy to the World/Music of Christmas
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Wassail Song 1:54
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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We Wish You a Merry Christmas 0:57
by Philadelphia Brass Ensemble
on A festival of Carols in Brass
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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It Came Upon A Midnight Clear 2:27
by The London Festival Orchestra
on Christmas Dinner Music
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


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Good King Wenceslas 1:39
by Canadian Brass
on The Christmas Album
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3



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Overture 2:32
by OST. Composer Miles Goodwin
on The Muppet Christmas Carol
:cd: CD | :itunes: iTunes | Posted Image MP3


Notes:

Tracks 04 10 11 24 and 28. The Christmas Dinner Album is a re-release (there have been several that include these tracks from the London Festival Orchestra - all identical - this is the easiest to obtain.

Track 08 17. 1996 Re-issue of fresh recordings from the 1970 Deutsche Gramophone release release "A Christmas Festival"

Track 19 A Christmas Festival - This has been edited in the middle which makes it confusing. It is by Boston Pops but haven't found a copy to compare with - yet)

Track 30 Muppet Christmas Carol. The loop would use the 1992 release. The link is to the special edition 2005 so if you want to be absolutely accurate (they may have reworked this edition), you need a second hand copy.

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The tracks for the London Christmas Orchestra were re-released on "Christmas Dinner Music" (comes up as London Festival Orchestra on my CD player) CH905984
http://www.amazon.co...3615818&sr=8-94
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Filmographik
Dec 11 2011 02:06 PM
This link could be interresting to buy four musics encoded with mp3 format :

http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/B000AQACQG

1. Joy To The World
5. The First Nowell
15. O Tannenbaum
17. O come all ye faithful


And with itunes :


http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/joy-world-music-christmas/id220356016
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Filmographik
Dec 11 2011 05:25 PM
You can find the five musics of "Christmas Dinner Music" on the album : "Symphony of Carols" by The Christmas Philharmonic Orchestra




1. Silent Night

4. Oh, Little Town of Bethlehem

12. Good King Wenceslas

19. Jingle Bells

21. It Came Upon a Midnight Clear




You can download it on :




http://telecharger-musique.fnac.com/fm12306252/The-Christmas-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Symphony-of-Carols




or




http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-of-Carols/dp/B0062UQ43Y/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1323641966&sr=8-12

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Filmographik
Dec 11 2011 06:01 PM
The reference of the number 13 of the list is not correct.

The title "Silver Bells" is not on the album of "Canadian Brass".

I search it for years too but I could never find it...Posted Image
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My Apologies, wrong album by Canadian Brass linked to :unsure:
Here's a link to the correct album.
http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/B00124DPBO
Tunatic ID'd it correctly but I used the wrong album.
Here's the full album
http://www.amazon.co...&sr=1-1-catcorr
I'll amend the listing accordingly. Thanks for spotting it.

As a PS, if you are using the generally available recording of this, the treble has been increased far too much which can make ID'ing stuff difficult without lowering the treble range to match the CDs. It's also been recorded too loud so some distortion.
Thanks for the Joy to the World mp3 links too. I am still working on the MP3s. It's more difficult for me being in the UK. Unfortunately I don't use iTunes so can't include any links to there as I can't buy from the US as I'm in the UK so I ditched the thing.
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The Christmas Album is available in the UK as mp3s
http://www.amazon.co...23715944&sr=8-1
The problem with linking out of the USA to other Amazon sites has been fixed so the playlist will be able to show the links to the UK mp3s if they are unavailable from Amazon.com soon so more links should be up and running in various lists in the blog when I can get around to it
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Filmographik
Dec 12 2011 04:48 PM
Thank you Eyore for the "Silver Bells" link.

"Carol of the bells" is played twice in the park (very curious... no?). It's always the same version. It's confirmed with a live recording i have done a long time ago.

The only question that I have is : What is the real version of "A Christmas Festival"??? The version live is 6'22 in the park.

On itunes or amazon, you can find two versions of Arthur Fiedler but the timing is not the same : 8'41 or 9'45

And with other orchestra, the musics are not similar.
It's impossible to find the real one Posted Image
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Difficult one this.
First of all, ignore CD timings. There appears to be some considerable editing in this one.
The loop plays Joy to the world, Deck the Halls, God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Good King Wenceslas, Hark the Herald Angels, ( misses out The First Nowell), Silent night, Jingle Bells, O come all you Faithful.
That accounts in part of the shorter length.
I have no idea why Disney edited out "The First Nowell" though.
I have the 8:37 album. I think there is also an edit in the first four tracks somewhere (I'm looking) as the loop is shorter than the CD version.
In the loop, Hark the Herald Angels Sing starts at 2:07. On the CD it starts at 2:20 and on another recording on something similar to Youtube at 2:56. :blink:
Certainly the editing out of the one track makes the loop at least 1:17 shorter (the length of that track).
Disney loop tracks often do run at a slightly different speed to the originals anyway but that still leaves around one minute to account for. I'm working on it ;)
I'm going to isolate the loop tracks, time them and compare them to the CD length.
They don't make it easy, do they :lol:
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If it helps Filmographik, here's a section from the CD booklet which gives the full tracks and also the official time.
http://www.magicmusi...y_1309_2_48.jpg
The notes also say that it was recorded May 15-16 1959.
The actual CD was issued in 1987.
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Filmographik
Dec 14 2011 10:06 AM
I think that the two versions of Fiedler (8'41 & 9'45) are definitivly not the same that que DLP version. When I compare, I can notice some repetition doesn't exist. The "tonalité" of some passage are not the same.

An evidence : the source is out there. I don't think that the version of DLP is an editing version of Fiedler...

Sorry for my language.... I dont' speak english.. as you can see :-)
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Filmographik
Dec 14 2011 10:23 AM
I find an other little problem :

The "Silver Bells" version of DLP and the "Silver Bells" version of Canadian Brass (album Christmas Tradition) are not the same.

I think the "ground" is the same. But all the "little intrumentation" with bells sound and little xylophone are not similar.
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It may be the fact that the actual loop is in Mono and the CD is stereo and they have reduced a lot of the frequencies. Shazam and Tunatic both still ID the loop track as from that cd as well.

You do realise that the middle section from the CD has been edited out? (from about 1:15 - 2:15 or thereabouts).

I've checked the general waveforms and (apart from the fact that the loop version is mono) split the CD stereo tracks and merged them into mono.
Now, the loop is much, much, flatter (well, that's what happens sometimes when you record stuff), but the general waveforms match. I edited it as best I could and I still think it's the same track edited by Disney.
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I also have to disagree with your previous post. As I said, Disney has increased the treble for the loop far too much and made it Mono. Try adjusting it using an equaliser and see what you think.
That particular track is also heavily edited so it won't quite match the CD. You'll need to chop it up and compare in a waveform program. One of the tunes in the loop has the middle two parts cut out and the first and last edited together.
On the cd it is 1AB/2AB/3AB with A being the simple melody and B being a harmonic of the main melody (each slightly different). The loop track misses out the middle AB section!
I may be an idea to write to customer relations at DLRP and ask if they have a list of the tunes played. They do sometimes send one out with, sometimes, surprising results. They do seem to keep a note of who asks though and after a couple of times, they won't issue one for a few months (my credit has run out at the moment). Mind you, the official lists are not always that accurate either.
I'd be happy to be proved wrong as it means greater accuracy but I can only do what I think is correct and I am only human.
As a thought, what year did you make your recording in? Mine is 2002 so maybe there has been a change and we are listening to different things.
As I don't have the 9 minute version and I can't locate a copy with it on, is there any chance you could give me the details of the CD it's from?
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OK, crow doesn't taste that good :mellow:
I'm pleased to say that filmograhik was quite correct over track 13 (Silver bells).
I had wrongly assumed that the CD I linked to was a re-issue of a 1985 vinyl. It isn't - the 2007 CD (A Christmas Tradition) was a re-recording. I have amended the playlist to reflect the correct album and humbly ask forgiveness :(
Thanks for persisting that I was wrong, I was! :o

Regarding the Boston pops, AF only recorded this track twice. 1959 (the shorter version) and 1 new recording in 1970 for Deutsch Gramaphon (since reissued with 2 extra tracks on White Christmas). The re-recording is a minute longer than the original as, being older, he slowed the tempo a little.
I'll be comparing the tracks against the edits to ensure the link is to the correct version so watch this space. I still have from 1-2 minutes unaccounted for. As there are only two recordings of this, it has to be one or the other (doesn't it?).
Ah, the joys of playlists.
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Phew. Still trying to figure the exact album for the Christmas Festival. Both recorded/released versions play the first "track" 5 seconds too slowly. Both versions of the Boston Pops recordings last 53 seconds to the change to Deck the Halls. The loop lasts 44 seconds :blink:
Audio ID software still keeps saying it's the Boston Pops.
As this track is heavily edited, maybe they just turned up the speed as well as deleting one whole tune!
Thought I had found it when iTunes had the same song lasting 6:66 (much nearer the loop time)
http://itunes.apple....mas/id399377518
Lo and behold, they've just deleted the entire first section and a chunk of the second. Vandals!
Oh what fun.
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Filmographik
Dec 15 2011 04:12 PM
Bon travail ! Posted Image

I think that the reference of Nr 08 "Sleigh Ride2:53byPhilharmonia Vituosi onSleigh Ride! Classic Christmas Favourites" is not correct.

The truth version is the one of the album "White Christmas" (B000001G7R Deutsche Grammophon)

http://www.amazon.co...3982823&sr=1-26

The two versions are very similar with rhythm and sound. But the DLP version contiens "horse noise" in higher tonality. It's the same thing with the "neighing of the horse" at the end of the music.
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Sorry, picked the wrong artist from that CD (two versions on it). Fixed.
I'm happy to go with the re-recordings from 1970 from Deutsche Gramophon rather than the original recording.
My ears can't really tell them apart with all the edits and the speed in the loop is wrong anyway (good old DLRP - not the first time they have done that).
Can't really use tonality with the recording as it's mono and edited though.
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If anyone is still with this topic,the original recording of this (A Christmas Festival) was made in 1959 and released on Vinyl as "A Christmas Festival". This recording can be recognised by the track length ~8:40.
In 1979, Arthur Feilder re-recorded the track anew for Deutsche Grammophon under the same LP title of "A Christmas Festival" and with a number of different covers:
http://classicvinyl....oston-pops-1970
http://www.discogs.c...release/2149948
This meant that there were two albums of this name available - the 1959 original recording and the 1970 new recordings.
The new recording can be recognised by it's longer length of ~9:44.
The sound is very similar on both recordings as is the waveform.
Now, to make matters worse, the original recording is still available (now as a CD) but the 1970 version can now be found on a slightly expanded version on CD (by two extra tracks) under a new title of "White Christmas" (see link in playlist).
Presumably the title was altered to avoid confusion between the two.
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Filmographik
Jan 04 2012 03:00 PM
Here is a short medley with all these musics :



Enjoy !
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Thanks.
Don't laugh but Tunatic managed to ID most of them even from those short clips apart from the track in question but, yet again, it picked out the Jingle Bells section as by the Boston Pops without hesitation!!!!! (which we have confirmed it isn't).
I'm starting to wonder if Disney actually used a version of "A Christmas Festival" or if they made their own by editing different versions of the tunes by different orchestras and sticking them together.
It's a real puzzle this one.
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